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Posted by gustav at 05:00PM, Tuesday, December 02nd, 2003
Gay Marriage Should Be The Biggest Election-Year Issue
Lots of talking heads, nominally on both sides of the issue, are shouting that gay marriage mustn't be a big issue this election year. They're on the wrong side of history.
First of all, making gay marriage and gay rights a central issue in upcoming campaigns will demonstrate the unabashed bigotry of the party in power in this country right now. I believe people are smart enough to know that a Republican Party which claims compassion, but practices extra sentences for gays (for instance, the Romeo-and-Juliet laws in Kansas), and pushes to create the first amendment ever to the U.S. Constitution that will remove rights, isn't compassionate at all, but just as bigoted, intolerant, and suppressive as it demonstrated in such shining historical moments as the McCarthy witch hunts and Watergate.Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by Veritas at 2004-02-22 14:25:42
NOTE: NOT SURE HOW TO FORMAT THIS PROPERLY...And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words. And when they were come, they say unto him, "Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Shall we give, or shall we not give?"Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by gustav at 2004-02-23 11:18:28
This is obviously a tricky issue, and while I don't want to offend people, I have a couple of points which I think are worth repeating.
The first is the use of the word marriage. There's a fair number of lawmakers in MA who are suddenly pushing for something the-same-as-marriage-but-named-differently. These are lawmakers who, a year ago, derided the notion that gays were even worthy of civil unions. Now they're dancing on ambiguous semantics, claiming that we should be happy to have civil unions, since they're the same in all but name, and we should be overjoyed to be offered the option to enter into civil unions -- but at the same time, that the word marriage is some holy sacrament into which we can't possibly be admitted. Pardon me, but didn't they just tell us the name was irrelevant? What's the real deal? I don't think it's a stretch to say that this is simply hypocrisy -- saying the name should be irrelevent to you, but it's important to us. The implication, as always, is that the "us" is more important than the "you." I have a problem with that.
The second is that the SJC ruling in MA specifically pertains to civil marriage as it's defined by the state. This issue has nothing to do with religious definitions of marriage, and I agree that everyone should want to keep it that way. However, like it or not, the word marriage does now have very specific meanings and connotations in government and society in general. The state constitution doesn't define common-law civil unions for heterosexual partners. Why should it define them for me, when marriage law could be extended so that marriage, with all the rights it currently confers, applies to gays and lesbians?
The third is the guts thing. I understand that many people think that it's too politically risky to back marriage for everyone. On the other hand, I'm not sure there are a lot of people who will be turned off from a Democratic candidate who supports marriage enough to make it change their vote. I'll vote for someone who's willing to give me the same rights as he enjoys in the primary, but in the general election, I'll vote for whoever's not Bush. There are a lot of people who think that way out there. Those who would be so repulsed by a candidate who supports gay marriage -- well, they're going to be voting for Bush, anyway. No Democrat could win them over. However, there are a number of us -- long-time Democrats -- who are getting disgusted at a party that prevaricates -- about the War, about economic and budget issues, about health care, and about civil rights. Those are the votes that the Democratic nominee stands to lose; they're the ones who voted for Nader in 2000, because they didn't see Gore differentiating himself adequately from the Republicans, on issues including his administration's support for DOMA. A few thousand write-ins for Kucinich in any state might decide this next election, as the votes for Nader did in 2000. It would be a shame to suffer four more years of Bush tyranny because the Democratic nominee was too scared to stand up for what is right.
One thing that I think is worth noting is that civil rights in Massachusetts and the U.S. have made progress since the initial marriage ruling in November. As I've said, many many state lawmakers who were vehemently opposed to recognizing gay couples and extending them any rights conferred by government have dramatically changed there position, now that civil unions are seen as a compromise. Those gains have not come about because of timidity. They've come because of hard-won legal challenges -- Lawrence v. Texas and Goodridge vs. Dept. of Health -- brought in order to compel judges to stop skirting the issues. These have been gutsy challenges, and there were many supporters of gay rights who opposed them, fearing backlash and repurcussions. And they have made this a better country. Whether the weddings being performed in SF right now will stand or fall, they've happened because of lawyers and advocates willing to bring those lawsuits, and because of a few politicians with the balls to stand up for what they believe.
Lastly, the formatting thing... I know, I know. I finally gave in and put in some auto-format-conversion code in the article submission section here. I haven't gotten around to doing that for posts yet. If you want formatting, you've got to use proper HTML (well, preferably, XHTML) for now.
Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by Veritas at 2004-02-23 22:59:44
You make good points in your post.
Politics is the art of enacting what is possible at a given point in time. Change must occur incrementally and gradually over time.
The differentiation of gay marriage vs. same-sex civil union is indeed semantic in nature. However, in the spirit of incremental change, it is an attempt by supporters of gay unions to move the debate out of the auspices of the religious right, and away from the language of religious rites. If a semantic differentiation can help promote advancement in this area, then so be it. We all know that separate but equal does not work, and is un-constitutional. Eventually, the matter of gay unions must be tried before the Supreme Court. I'd rather have a justice nominated by President Kerry that one nominated by p(R)esident Bush deciding on the matter.
I live two blocks from City Hall in San Francisco. I’ve experienced the events of the past two weeks first hand. I must say that the GLBT community is overjoyed by Mayor Gavin Newsome’s recent activities in support of gay unions. As a mayor not elected with a mandate (52% of the popular vote), Newsome has made great strides in winning the alliance of a sizable and powerful constituency in San Francisco.
At the same time, we're skeptical of Newsom’s true motivations. Many in our community did not vote for Newsome. Instead, we supported Matt Gonzales, the Green candidate, who we saw as the liberal, progressive choice. We saw Newsome as a scion of privilege, who used his family’s political connections to obtain the favor of the Geddy family, and access to their tremendous wealth and influence.
We’re well aware that Mayor Newsome has designs on higher office, either at the state or federal level, and that he is co-opting the gay union issue to launch his political career through the media. We can't help but feel used in the whole process. Already, we see far right groups filming at City Hall, seeking visual material for election year attack ads. Only time will tell how this issue will play out on the national political stage.
Now, while we're very pleased with the progress that the events in San Francisco represent, we're somewhat concerned by the backlash that might result. The election of 2004 is one of the most important in our history. The countless crimes of the Bush administration must be the first item on our national agenda. The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive, non-constitutional war, the erosion of civil liberties, and the fragile state of the economy are all paramount issues. When I prioritize concerns in my mind, I place these ahead of my right to civil union or marriage. Not everyone in the GLBT community agrees with my prioritization, and believes that this election should be a referendum on gay marriage. I believe that it should not be, and that it will not be. Americans tend to vote on economic matters first. Matters of national security, and social issues, such as Gay Rights, are secondary and tertiary concerns.
Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by gustav at 2004-02-27 08:57:58
So much for Kerry being pro-gay.
http://advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=11466&sd=02/27/04 -- "Kerry backs Mass. amendment to outlaw same-sex marriage."
I think it's absurd to claim that anyone who supports this kind of legislation is pro-gay. That's like saying people who supported anti-miscegenation laws weren't racist. This also illustrates what seems like the perennial problem with Kerry -- it's impossible to tell where exactly he stands because his positions can be contradictory. He criticizes Bush for wanting to write this kind of legislation into the U.S. Constitution, but backs it for the MA one -- how on EARTH can that make sense? In a state where support for same-sex marriage is growing, this is a politically foolish move. In a world with a gay population, this is just stupid. He can kiss my vote in the general election goodbye, assuming he gets the nomination and doesn't reverse this opinion. Yeah, George W sucks. But fucking A, way to paint yourself as an "alternative."
Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by Veritas at 2004-02-23 22:58:35
You make good points in your post.
Politics is the art of enacting what is possible at a given point in time. Change must occur incrementally and gradually over time.
The differentiation of gay marriage vs. same-sex civil union is indeed semantic in nature. However, in the spirit of incremental change, it is an attempt by supporters of gay unions to move the debate out of the auspices of the religious right, and away from the language of religious rites. If a semantic differentiation can help promote advancement in this area, then so be it. We all know that separate but equal does not work, and is un-constitutional. Eventually, the matter of gay unions must be tried before the Supreme Court. I'd rather have a justice nominated by President Kerry that one nominated by p(R)esident Bush deciding on the matter.
I live two blocks from City Hall in San Francisco. I’ve experienced the events of the past two weeks first hand. I must say that the GLBT community is overjoyed by Mayor Gavin Newsome’s recent activities in support of gay unions. As a mayor not elected with a mandate (52% of the popular vote), Newsome has made great strides in winning the alliance of a sizable and powerful constituency in San Francisco.
At the same time, we're skeptical of Newsom’s true motivations. Many in our community did not vote for Newsome. Instead, we supported Matt Gonzales, the Green candidate, who we saw as the liberal, progressive choice. We saw Newsome as a scion of privilege, who used his family’s political connections to obtain the favor of the Geddy family, and access to their tremendous wealth and influence.
We’re well aware that Mayor Newsome has designs on higher office, either at the state or federal level, and that he is co-opting the gay union issue to launch his political career through the media. We can't help but feel used in the whole process. Already, we see far right groups filming at City Hall, seeking visual material for election year attack ads. Only time will tell how this issue will play out on the national political stage.
Now, while we're very pleased with the progress that the events in San Francisco represent, we're somewhat concerned by the backlash that might result. The election of 2004 is one of the most important in our history. The countless crimes of the Bush administration must be the first item on our national agenda. The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive, non-constitutional war, the erosion of civil liberties, and the fragile state of the economy are all paramount issues. When I prioritize concerns in my mind, I place these ahead of my right to civil union or marriage. Not everyone in the GLBT community agrees with my prioritization, and believes that this election should be a referendum on gay marriage. I believe that it should not be, and that it will not be. Americans tend to vote on economic matters first. Matters of national security, and social issues, such as Gay Rights, are secondary and tertiary concerns.
Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by Veritas at 2004-02-23 22:58:15
You make good points in your post.
Politics is the art of enacting what is possible at a given point in time. Change must occur incrementally and gradually over time.
The differentiation of gay marriage vs. same-sex civil union is indeed semantic in nature. However, in the spirit of incremental change, it is an attempt by supporters of gay unions to move the debate out of the auspices of the religious right, and away from the language of religious rites. If a semantic differentiation can help promote advancement in this area, then so be it. We all know that separate but equal does not work, and is un-constitutional. Eventually, the matter of gay unions must be tried before the Supreme Court. I'd rather have a justice nominated by President Kerry that one nominated by p(R)esident Bush deciding on the matter.
I live two blocks from City Hall in San Francisco. I’ve experienced the events of the past two weeks first hand. I must say that the GLBT community is overjoyed by Mayor Gavin Newsome’s recent activities in support of gay unions. As a mayor not elected with a mandate (52% of the popular vote), Newsome has made great strides in winning the alliance of a sizable and powerful constituency in San Francisco.
At the same time, we're skeptical of Newsom’s true motivations. Many in our community did not vote for Newsome. Instead, we supported Matt Gonzales, the Green candidate, who we saw as the liberal, progressive choice. We saw Newsome as a scion of privilege, who used his family’s political connections to obtain the favor of the Geddy family, and access to their tremendous wealth and influence.
We’re well aware that Mayor Newsome has designs on higher office, either at the state or federal level, and that he is co-opting the gay union issue to launch his political career through the media. We can't help but feel used in the whole process. Already, we see far right groups filming at City Hall, seeking visual material for election year attack ads. Only time will tell how this issue will play out on the national political stage.
Now, while we're very pleased with the progress that the events in San Francisco represent, we're somewhat concerned by the backlash that might result. The election of 2004 is one of the most important in our history. The countless crimes of the Bush administration must be the first item on our national agenda. The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive, non-constitutional war, the erosion of civil liberties, and the fragile state of the economy are all paramount issues. When I prioritize concerns in my mind, I place these ahead of my right to civil union or marriage. Not everyone in the GLBT community agrees with my prioritization, and believes that this election should be a referendum on gay marriage. I believe that it should not be, and that it will not be. Americans tend to vote on economic matters first. Matters of national security, and social issues, such as Gay Rights, are secondary and tertiary concerns.
Re: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's
Posted by Veritas at 2004-02-23 22:58:01
You make good points in your post.
Politics is the art of enacting what is possible at a given point in time. Change must occur incrementally and gradually over time.
The differentiation of gay marriage vs. same-sex civil union is indeed semantic in nature. However, in the spirit of incremental change, it is an attempt by supporters of gay unions to move the debate out of the auspices of the religious right, and away from the language of religious rites. If a semantic differentiation can help promote advancement in this area, then so be it. We all know that separate but equal does not work, and is un-constitutional. Eventually, the matter of gay unions must be tried before the Supreme Court. I'd rather have a justice nominated by President Kerry that one nominated by p(R)esident Bush deciding on the matter.
I live two blocks from City Hall in San Francisco. I’ve experienced the events of the past two weeks first hand. I must say that the GLBT community is overjoyed by Mayor Gavin Newsome’s recent activities in support of gay unions. As a mayor not elected with a mandate (52% of the popular vote), Newsome has made great strides in winning the alliance of a sizable and powerful constituency in San Francisco.
At the same time, we're skeptical of Newsom’s true motivations. Many in our community did not vote for Newsome. Instead, we supported Matt Gonzales, the Green candidate, who we saw as the liberal, progressive choice. We saw Newsome as a scion of privilege, who used his family’s political connections to obtain the favor of the Geddy family, and access to their tremendous wealth and influence.
We’re well aware that Mayor Newsome has designs on higher office, either at the state or federal level, and that he is co-opting the gay union issue to launch his political career through the media. We can't help but feel used in the whole process. Already, we see far right groups filming at City Hall, seeking visual material for election year attack ads. Only time will tell how this issue will play out on the national political stage.
Now, while we're very pleased with the progress that the events in San Francisco represent, we're somewhat concerned by the backlash that might result. The election of 2004 is one of the most important in our history. The countless crimes of the Bush administration must be the first item on our national agenda. The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive, non-constitutional war, the erosion of civil liberties, and the fragile state of the economy are all paramount issues. When I prioritize concerns in my mind, I place these ahead of my right to civil union or marriage. Not everyone in the GLBT community agrees with my prioritization, and believes that this election should be a referendum on gay marriage. I believe that it should not be, and that it will not be. Americans tend to vote on economic matters first. Matters of national security, and social issues, such as Gay Rights, are secondary and tertiary concerns.
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